By: five fresh fish
There is a very high likelihood they will die or be crippled within a few years of marraige. If the culture is crippling and killing its young girls, it isn't going to have any useful mature women,...
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I would argue, jamjam, that what you're mostly seeing is not psychopathology, but the intersection of ernest idealism and purposefully harsh realism. Both sides express rhetorical positions. I don't...
View ArticleBy: fshgrl
Given where she's from I think it's pretty much a guarantee that she'd end up in an arranged marriage at some point anyway, so what does it matter when it happens? These are children. They are probably...
View ArticleBy: jamjam
Sexual intercourse between a 50 year old (or any adult) male and a 9 year old or 11 year old girl is rape and torture. It also runs a very high probability of maiming the child victim for life and...
View ArticleBy: nickyskye
Thanks fff, the link above that says "Herat" was meant to link not to a store selling Islamic women's clothing but here, a picture of the place as it used to be. There are some more photos of...
View ArticleBy: Smedleyman
Fantastic post(s). Ergo, I have nothing to add. ...except...did anyone think of this after looking at the third link? (compare)
View ArticleBy: asok
If you like getting upset by are interested in the treatment of women under the Taliban, why not watch Osama. It has child brides, beheadings and everything!
View ArticleBy: anotherpanacea
One might say realistic fear of death is a form of suffering. Sure... but it's a fear shared by men and women, soldiers and civilians. Anybody in a war zone is in danger, especially in a country, like...
View ArticleBy: jb
mdn - the English research comes from parish registers, which record baptisms, marriages and burials in a given parish. Similar sources (some much better) exist for other European countries c1500-1800....
View ArticleBy: Deathalicious
Methylviolet writes: Isn't it interesting that abuses of women are "cultural" issues, while abuses of men are "human rights" issues? It's interesting, this rights terminology. Critics of the human...
View ArticleBy: delmoi
I can't believe I'm typing this but I'm proud that my 9-year-old daughter does not know a thing about sex. That doesn't mean I'm not very open with her about the subject when it arises... Those two...
View ArticleBy: fshgrl
Pregnancy and childbirth are the LEADING cause of death for girls age 15-19 in developing countries per UNICEF and OXFAM. Marraige to pre-pubescent, non-adult women is obviously not the norm in a...
View ArticleBy: mdn
Before that, most men were apprentices, journeymen or servants in someone else's household - and as long as they lived in someone else's household, they held a subordinate, non-quite adult status....
View ArticleBy: nickyskye
In 1975 I was 21 and hitched most of the way across the Middle East to India, spending a month in Afghanistan, travelling from one end, Herat, to the other, Kandahar and Kabul. I was deeply impressed...
View ArticleBy: anotherpanacea
jb- That's very counter-intuitive research you're describing. Could you indicate where it's coming from? What's does the biography of a 26 year-old Victorian bride look like? I'm guessing that the...
View ArticleBy: Lectrick
re: sex at 12 for boys I grew up in a wealthy neighborhood on Long Island (I mention this only because it may or may not have something to do with it) and I only knew a handful of guys who had had sex...
View ArticleBy: bardic
anotherpanacea writes: Death is not suffering. Hold old are you? Has anyone you've known ever died?
View ArticleBy: jack_mo
inactivistsaid'jack_mo, knowing what sex entails and understanding the full consequences of it are two different things. It seems cardoso was pointing at the latter.' It seemed to me he was saying that...
View ArticleBy: jb
mdn - I am talking about the period c1300-1800 - but the best demographic evidence is from 1550-1800, the evidence for the earlier period is anecdotal and literary. Young teens marrying was very rare....
View ArticleBy: five fresh fish
I'm not a girl, but I certanly have known what sex was my entire life, and had snuck my dad's porn by then. Likewise, and was trying to pop one off at that age. Which was physically impossible for...
View ArticleBy: aeschenkarnos
(Truth be told, it would only sound hot to me if she was 18+, but I like to play devils' advocate...) Hmm. What about 17.5? Can you tell the difference?
View ArticleBy: aeschenkarnos
Spacewaitress: There may be worse things in the world, but I can't think of many. Then you haven't spent much time thinking about it. A slave, including a sexual and domestic slave, suffers abrogation...
View ArticleBy: Lectrick
(Truth be told, it would only sound hot to me if she was 18+, but I like to play devils' advocate...)
View ArticleBy: squirrel
This is actually ending up to be a pretty interesting discussion. I like what delmoi said here.
View ArticleBy: Lectrick
She is being given over to be his sexual and domestic slave. Suppose a little dark part of me thought this was hot, and now I feel very dirty. Discuss.
View ArticleBy: spacewaitress
Anyway sorry if I can't join in on the outrage fest. [...] There are so many worse things in the world then being in a bad marriage Are you kidding me? An eleven-year-old girl being forced to marry a...
View ArticleBy: anotherpanacea
More resources are going to men, but they're also getting shot at and dying. I think men during most wars are more likely to die or feel intense pain, assuming a non-integrated military. Posit: Death...
View ArticleBy: photoslob
I can't believe I'm typing this but I'm proud that my 9-year-old daughter does not know a thing about sex. That doesn't mean I'm not very open with her about the subject when it arises and I'm far from...
View ArticleBy: Roger Dodger
Roger Dodger, who said that? Nobody out and out said they think it is a good thing. But starting with Meatbomb's snide "If only Afghans could be like Americans" to other's equating knowing what sex is...
View ArticleBy: mdn
but they almost never married child brides. Minimum canonical age was 12 for girls, but most married in their late teens, and in North-west Europe (England, Netherlands, etc) in the twenties. uh, which...
View ArticleBy: mischief
The flipside to all this, of course, is that men suffer more during peacetime. Well, they would if it weren't for beer.
View ArticleBy: Balisong
Factor in the pain of childbirth as well. And uterine cancer! Let's see you guys suffer through that!
View ArticleBy: dazed_one
Basically what delmoi said; you've certainly proved that women suffer too, but moreso than anyone else? The elderly, children, infirm and soldiers?
View ArticleBy: delmoi
Seriously? During long-term conflicts, women face intense pressure to replace casualties and replenish the population. Women always suffer the most in upheavals, because they are ill-equipped to defend...
View ArticleBy: delmoi
The US didn't invade Afghanistan to improve the lives of women. It did it to root out the Taliban, a terrorist group that we (speaking as an American) actively fostered during the 1980's when they...
View ArticleBy: delmoi
UNDER NO CIRCUNSTANCES a 9-years-old-girl KNOWS what sex is, to consent or not. I'm not a girl, but I certanly have known what sex was my entire life, and had snuck my dad's porn by then.
View ArticleBy: anotherpanacea
Everyone suffers in war; how can you say women moreso than others? Seriously? During longterm conflicts, women face intense pressure to replace casualties and replenish the population. Women always...
View ArticleBy: taosbat
Legal gap may let girls wed at age 12 06/16/2006 Colorado law allows girls as young as 15 to enter valid common-law marriages and potentially opens the way for girls as young as 12 and boys as young as...
View ArticleBy: dazed_one
In times of war, women suffer most. Slightly off topic, but that's a pretty sweeping statement covering a very relative issue. Everyone suffers in war; how can you say women moreso than others?
View ArticleBy: kirkaracha
I supported the invasion of Afghanistan myself, but find it ridonkulous that anyone would give Bush II credit for being a fighter for women's rights He's claimed the credit. President Bush and Mrs....
View ArticleBy: Balisong
So, am I to understand that there are people here who believe it is perfectly acceptable... No, I'm pretty sure that everyone is in agreement that it sucks, is wrong, and all around crappy. That's...
View ArticleBy: anotherpanacea
So why marry little girls who aren't tall enough to get the bread in and out of the oven, as opposed to sexy skilled 18 year olds? or 28 year olds? Is virginity that highly prized? Is it because the...
View ArticleBy: leftcoastbob
"Majabin Mohammmed, 13, was given away as payment for a gambling debt." This is the saddest thing I've seen in a long time.
View ArticleBy: Roger Dodger
So, am I to understand that there are people here who believe it is perfectly acceptable for a fifty year old man to marry an 11 year old girl who has been given away by her parents because they are...
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